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The Illusive Dr Parnia Tweets

Thanks to one of the regular contributors for this reminder, but Dr Parnia tweeted for the first time in a very long time:

parnia tweet

I use the word illusive since he doesn’t really clarify what this means. Is this AWARE II, surely not as that is well under way now. Are these sub-studies of AWARE II? Are they completely new studies, and if so how will they differ?

Anyway, hopefully we will learn more before long.

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13 thoughts on “The Illusive Dr Parnia Tweets

  1. David on said:

    Makes me think he has something becausethis looks really expansive.

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  2. Eric on said:

    AWARE II is, technically, a single study being conducted in several sites. A “series of studies” seems… Broader?

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  3. Agree with both comments. These must be new studies, and it may well be that they are a follow up to data that will be coming out of the AWARE II study when it is published in 2020. The implication would be that something happens, and that if it were just zero consciousness, why bother studying it?

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  4. David on said:

    I am looking at a much simpler paper. It was recieved in October 17 online in December and in print about Feb 18. So for an early 2020 he must be ready to submit in about a year and if he must have the raw data by now and that would explain the hiring…it must be for the expansion.

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  5. OK, I might have been misleading there. If I go back to the correspondence I have received from Dr Parnia, he said the following:

    “We won’t end the study until September 2020 and will only then analyze the data.
    We anticipate releasing official news about the “launch” of the study in mid 2018, once we have all the study sites and methods up and running” (I just hope this Tweet isn’t related to that…if so then this is what has happened to AWARE II

    perhaps I should have reread the email before saying 2020:

    “We will anticipate another [media] event to conclude the study in 2021 around the time that it is to be published.”

    He’s very clear in the email that there will be no more leakage, and that they want a full dataset etc.

    However, does that mean he doesn’t know some results already…heck no! Does that mean that we aren’t allowed to speculate on those results, and the implications of his recent announcement…again, of course we can. Basically from the point he started ramping up recruitment and doing the rounds of television studios being much more assertive in his position on the nature of consciousness after death, I am utterly convinced he has one hit, and possibly more.

    My concern is that AWARE II is suffering from a thing called “scope creep”. This announcement is either regarding new studies or that AWARE II is either morphing into something different, or has been shelved/cut short. Think another email might be in order, although he is unlikely to tell me anything that is not in public domain, but clarification on whether AWARE II is still ongoing would be good.

    The fact that they were recruiting for AWARE II a couple of years ago, and in the email to me is saying “going to launch” in 2018 is very confusing. New email will be going out tonight!

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    • Chad on said:

      I thought he had 300 recruits already https://twitter.com/SamParniaMDPhD/status/929153480618586112. Can you ask him if those 300 recruits meant 300 who survived cardiac arrest and were interviewed?

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      • Those were the inclusion criteria, so i would assume so. I would expect that by now they would be near the half way point in terms of recruitment given the patient recruitment activities they initiated last year (I have been doing this recently for a GvHD study that was suffering from poor recruitment, and will be doing it in my next job back in the UK).

        I’m just confused by the apparent contradictions in the statements. Firstly he’s saying that AWARE II is ongoing with a planned completion in 2020, then he’s saying they are going to launch it in mid 2018…which is why I have asked for clarification specifying exactly what is going on. Maybe it refers to the addition of new centers, or maybe they had a surge of hits in recent months and have decided they have enough data from AWARE II to meet their “endpoints”, and wish to conduct new studies to further elucidate exactly what is going on, rather than knowing that it is going on. Anyway, hopefully he will send a quick email to let help us clear this up.

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  6. Reblogged this on The you inside and commented:
    Is the AWARE study all starting over again, or being integrated into something else?

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  7. It reads like expansion to me. Perhaps other people and funding are a factor. At the end of the day, the AWARE study raises multiple issues that could specialist to varying contributors / analysts.

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    • I hope you are right NT, and yes, positive hits from AWARE II will generate more questions than answers, and will cause an explosion in research on this subject. Only makes sense for Dr Parnia to get ahead of the curve and assert his position as the preeminent researcher in this area.

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  8. David on said:

    This really seems like something new. Aware was not really exploring what happens it was just looking for confirmation if anything at all happens…the hits….He hinted at this before when he made some bold statements about a consciousness field……..I will be really interested because in all honesty I have no idea what you would do beyond confirming a hit. …..That makes me think they really found something.

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  9. Hi again, Ben

    I think (but I don’t know of course) that this may be related to a new and additional experiment which he has previously alluded to. I’ve copied this post which I made on a psi forum about the tweets.

    This may be about the experimental tests I believe they are conducting on cardiac arrest patients (in addition to the OBE visual component and the level of oxygen depletion in the brain) whereby they are introducing sounds into the ears after the heart has stopped to help to determine and pin down once and for all the precise capabilities (or rather lack of) of brains after cardiac arrest.

    So if they introduce a sound direct into the ear of a patient in cardiac arrest and the patient hears and remembers that sound, then that must mean that the brain is still functioning. (In theory at least)

    Assuming the ears are plugged with this sound and the patient doesn’t hear it, but reports external sounds, such as doctors saying very specific things during the resuscitation, then that means there was something else other than the patient’s brain that was receiving the information, hence the psyche, separate consciousness.

    The funding he’s got recently has enabled him to ‘go to town’ somewhat on this, I would imagine. But once again, I might be wrong.

    As to the state of Aware 2 and what they might have in the way of hits, your guess is as good as mine. I’m convinced they’ll get hits sooner or later, it’s just a matter of patience.

    But if what I think Parnia is up to with the ear stimulus bears fruit… then that is also going to be pretty hard to explain away for materialists.

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  10. Samwise on said:

    Am I missing what this could mean?

    – Additional studies regarding consciousness and NDE´s, as a result of positive hits.

    – Additional studies regarding methods to enhance oxygen delivery during CPR or other methods regarding issues not related directly to consciousness and NDE´s.

    – The start of the NDE´s and consciousness aspect of the study and perhaps the end of studies not related directly to them.

    – The start of the entire study. This seems unlikely because of the announcment of 300 recruits but likely because they wanted researchers not long ago.

    Sam is doing something great but he does not/can not focus entirely on the NDE aspect and that means we have to wait for years to know what happens after life. I understand and do not blame him if the study is postponed but if it is then I will look into the possibility of initiating another study.

    For example, one camera records the entire resuscitation room (except for patient to avoid ethical issues) and another camera records the EEG machine. Both have synchronized clocks that show how much time have passed, so it is possible to tell which recorded scenes correspond and if there was no brain activity present during the patients observation outside of the body.

    I think this is better than Aware 2 for exploring NDE´s because,
    – Fewer researchers are needed
    – First hand empirical evidence that can be shared is gathered
    – It rules out the chance that the patient does not pay attention to a specific target
    – Rules out mistakes or cheating because the original live scenes can be saved automatically to a cloud so one can recognize any post editing.

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